Comments on: Inhofe Calls For Criminal Investigation Into Why EPA ‘Suppressed’ A Global Warming Denier

By: DAVID

DAVID — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:18:38 +0000

LET’S SEE:

THE EARTH HAS BEEN ON A CONSISTENT COOLING TREND SINCE 1998 WHILE C02 LEVEL HAVE CONTINUED TO RISE AT AN ACCELLERATING RATE.

THE EARTH WAS WARMER THEN TODAY BOTH 1000 AND 2000 YEARS AGO (AND LIFE PERSISTED) IN THE ABSENCE OF SIGNIFICANT MAN GENERATED CO2 (MAYBE IT WAS ALL THOSE BUFFALO FARTS). THERE IS GOOD ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT HUMANKIND BENEFITTED FROM GLOBAL WARMING AND SUFFERERED FROM GLOBAL COOLING.

ICE CORE DATA DEMONSTRATE THAT HISTORICALLY CO2 INCREASES FOLLOW WARMING TRENDS NOT LEAD THEM (THIS IS BECAUSE THE OCEANS ARE THE EARTHS LARGEST CO2 SINKS AND WARM WATERS CAN NOT HOLD AS MUCH DISOLVED GAS AS COLD WATER (REMEMBER THAT FROM H.S. PHYSICAL SCIENCE ??)

THERE IS NO, NO, GOT THAT, NO CAUSAL LINK THAT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED BETWEEN INCREASED CO2 LEADING TO WARMER TEMPERATURES. CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION THAT IS AS BASIC TO STATISTAL/SCIENTIFIC DATA ANALYSIS AS IT GETS.

THERE IS A FAIRLY GOOD CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN SHORT AND LONG TERM CYCLES IN SOLAR OUTPUT WITH PATTERNS OF TEMPERATURE VARIATION ON EARTH.

>650 CLIMATE/EARTH/PHYSICAL SCIENCE SCIENTISTS (Ph.D TYPES WHO HAVE PUBLISHED EXTENSIVELY IN THE PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE) INCLUDING FORMER IPCC AUTHORS ARE ON RECORD SAYING THE SCIENCE OF CO2 RELATED WARMING IF FAR FROM SETTLED AND LOOKING WEAKER EVERY MONTH.

WHERE IS YOUR REPORTING ON THAT? I AN NOT A DENIER I AM A STUDENT OF SCIENCE AND WHEN YOU TAKE THE TIME TO CRITICALLY ANALYZE THE EVIDENCE CO2 INDUCED WARMING IS DOUBTFUL AT BEST AND NON-SENSE AT WORST. CERTAINLY IT IS NOTHING TO ESTABLISH NATIONAL POLICY ON AND VERY CERTAINLY THERE IS NO CRISIS.

DR. DAVE

By: zamia

zamia — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:58:33 +0000

Science requires a filtering method, as even qualified and responsible scientists go off the track on occasion. When I was a government official I ’suppressed’ 2 or 3 pieces of utter gibberish. It is not a fun task, since
you have to wade through dreck to identify significant errors.
It’s not usual in a government agency to have a less-than-useful guy.
Sometimes these guys get a burst of energy and spit out a pile. Then
he screams his supervisor is picking on him to everyone who will listen.
I’d be curious to know if Carlin is this kind. His comments are so derivative
and nonsensical I have a hard time imagining him do constructive work. JMO
In any event, it is not EPA’s mission to do climate science, NASA and NOAA,
do that. For that reason alone, supervisors would not be happy with an
employee who wanders off the reservation.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like his supervisors were fed up
with him. Stringent directions as to what to work on usually are
attempts to deal with problem employees. And those were written
before ’somebody’ leaked to CEI!
This is no way compares to suppressing actual data measuring the global
yearly temperature. Or refusing to launch a satellite (DSCOVR/Trina) that
would have showed decisively the earth’s albedo declining, i.e., more
sunlight being absorbed.
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By: LB

LB — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:56:52 +0000

Most people, unintentionally and without being aware of it, seem to think that history begins and ends with their lifetimes. Because of this, they are easily convinced that climate change is happening NOW. Of course, climate change has been happening since whatever power you may believe or not believe in started it all. And so it will continue. We, collectively, cannot really have much effect globally. Three/tenths of the earth is land mass, and only a small percentage of that land is inhabited. The rest of the world basically takes care of itself. Some have an overinflated opinion of themselves if they think they are making much of a difference. And, by the way, there are more polar bears now than anytime since humans have been counting.

By: Hank Roberts

Hank Roberts — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:08:44 +0000

Ah, I found it. Good source too, this is the guy who discovered that chunks of “Carlin’s” report had been copied and pasted from an industry/PR-science sites as though they were facts.

http://deepclimate.org/2009/06/28/epas-alan-carlin-channels-pat-michaels-and-the-friends-of-science/

By: Hank Roberts

Hank Roberts — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:59:27 +0000

“the CEI press release was reported with a more or less straight face by at least two media outlets, CBS News and New York Times Greenwire, without any questioning of CEI’s own motivations or role in the affair.”

Yep. But who are you quoting there?

By: Nell

Nell — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:12:08 +0000

Isn’t it amazing? All the responsible governments and reputable scientists are warning that global warming could end the world as we know it… and are therefore perpetrating the greatest hoax mankind has ever known.
Or not.
Perhaps while we’re at debunking centuries old facts (which are based on solid physics) we should also reopen the debate about whether the earth is flat, the moon is made of cheese and storks deliver babies.

By: bob ashworth

bob ashworth — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:40:17 +0000

Inhofe is correct. Brad you say CO2 causing global warming is a hoax, well that was what the suppressed report showed! What fuzzy logic are you using here. It is a complete hoax and in my opinion Madoff’s Ponzi scheme is childs play compared to the Global Warming Scam!!!

By: jsacto

jsacto — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:58:32 +0000

John, unfortunately fighting back you only for against decent grammar. Head to remedial, please.

By: Cornhusker

Cornhusker — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:34:47 +0000

Joe Rohm describes the policy side of this story…

Memo to media: When the EPA ignores internal non-expert comments filled with falsehoods cut-and-paste from anti-science deniers, that isn’t “suppressing a report.” And why have you completely ignored a major scientific report revealing what a sham that “EPA report” is?
http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/30/epa-suppressed-report-endangerment-alan-carlin-cbs/

…

“Well, this “report” was actually first just “proposed comments” and then actual “Comments on the Draft Technical Support Documents for Endangerment Analysis for Greenhouse Gas Emissions under the Clean Air.”

“I worked in a federal agency for five years. Lots of internal people provide comments on draft documents. Some of it’s good, some of it’s irrelevant, and some is outright disinformation — typically the latter is from holdovers from a previous administration. In this case, it actually looks like the comments were

-Unadulterated and long-debunked disinformation
-From someone unqualified on the subject they are writing
-Cut and paste from a blog without attribution
-Delivered too late and not actually germane

“Such comments should not be incorporated into an official government document — certainly not without a serious inquiry first. …”

“You can read a thorough debunking of these “comments” at the RealClimate Post, “Bubkes.” …”

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/06/bubkes/

By: David Brown

David Brown — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:13:29 +0000

There is enough WORLD evidence to indicate that Global Warming exists and is real! So, why does anyone want to risk/debate/call it a hoax, that it is not real, that how our actions/inactions will significantly affect the lives of our children/grand children?
What selfish people think only about their own lives, money, power,righteousness…..and not about the future.

Many, I see!

By: David Brown

David Brown — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:06:20 +0000

There is enough WORLD

By: David Brown

David Brown — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:05:06 +0000

So The EPA withheld information. What makes you think they are experts anyhow. There is enough WORLD

By: Mike Kaulbars

Mike Kaulbars — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:03:36 +0000

@ John

“nothing our changing our views“

Obviously facts and reality have no effect.

By: John

John — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:24:06 +0000

I hate to break to you but nothing our changing our views but as we get the truth out more and more people will come out against the dems and Obama. One congressman got calls on the climate bill 6 for 1000 against!!! We are fighting back. We had enough of HOPELESSNESS and CHANGE!!