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	<title>Comments on: In 5-4 Decision, Conservative Supreme Court Denies DNA Evidence To Potentially Innocent Man</title>
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		<title>By: najdorf</title>
		<link>http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/scotus-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-154143</link>
		<dc:creator>najdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone read the decision?  I thank Ian for offering the link rather than merely quoting out of context.  Most of you are missing numerous significant issues here.  While I side slightly on the liberal edge of this decision, primarily along Souter&#039;s reasoning, you have to note that:

1. Osborne almost certainly committed the crime: 

-identified by victim and accomplice, 
-possible match with less precise DNA test done at the trial --defense lawyer thought he was guilty, 
-he confessed under oath for parole hearing.

Generally, non-guilty people don&#039;t manage to accumulate double eyewitness testimony, semi-strong DNA evidence, their own advocate not believing them, and a public sworn confession.

2. Alaska offers a procedure for appealing based on new evidence and he hasn&#039;t fully followed it but instead has taken his case to the federal level.

So this isn&#039;t some sort of &quot;no one may access DNA evidence post-conviction&quot; decision.  You still have rights.  A guilty criminal has failed to make an adequately convincing argument that the federal government should tell Alaska how to handle post-conviction appeals of violent criminals found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with no real claim to possible innocence.  Souter is probably right that there&#039;s no harm in giving Osborne the evidence, but we do not actually have a Supreme Court consisting of 5 Sith Lords and 4 Jedi Knights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone read the decision?  I thank Ian for offering the link rather than merely quoting out of context.  Most of you are missing numerous significant issues here.  While I side slightly on the liberal edge of this decision, primarily along Souter&#8217;s reasoning, you have to note that:</p>
<p>1. Osborne almost certainly committed the crime: </p>
<p>-identified by victim and accomplice,<br />
-possible match with less precise DNA test done at the trial &#8211;defense lawyer thought he was guilty,<br />
-he confessed under oath for parole hearing.</p>
<p>Generally, non-guilty people don&#8217;t manage to accumulate double eyewitness testimony, semi-strong DNA evidence, their own advocate not believing them, and a public sworn confession.</p>
<p>2. Alaska offers a procedure for appealing based on new evidence and he hasn&#8217;t fully followed it but instead has taken his case to the federal level.</p>
<p>So this isn&#8217;t some sort of &#8220;no one may access DNA evidence post-conviction&#8221; decision.  You still have rights.  A guilty criminal has failed to make an adequately convincing argument that the federal government should tell Alaska how to handle post-conviction appeals of violent criminals found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt with no real claim to possible innocence.  Souter is probably right that there&#8217;s no harm in giving Osborne the evidence, but we do not actually have a Supreme Court consisting of 5 Sith Lords and 4 Jedi Knights.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva C.L.</title>
		<link>http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/scotus-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-154130</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen so much inhumanity amongst Americans toward other Americans. Perhaps some of the same Americans who write the comments supporting Mr. Osborne are inhumane on other issues. Just a thought. As regards The Supremes vs. Mr. Osborne: why aren&#039;t we taking to the streets? This one is really serious. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen so much inhumanity amongst Americans toward other Americans. Perhaps some of the same Americans who write the comments supporting Mr. Osborne are inhumane on other issues. Just a thought. As regards The Supremes vs. Mr. Osborne: why aren&#8217;t we taking to the streets? This one is really serious. <strong></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Randomiter</title>
		<link>http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/scotus-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-154129</link>
		<dc:creator>Randomiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d suggest Barry stack the Supreme Court and name a new chief justice...&quot;

This would suggest you believe Obama didn&#039;t support the court&#039;s decision.
Read your Greenwald.
salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/20/dna/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d suggest Barry stack the Supreme Court and name a new chief justice&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This would suggest you believe Obama didn&#8217;t support the court&#8217;s decision.<br />
Read your Greenwald.<br />
salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/20/dna/index.html</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Pez</title>
		<link>http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/scotus-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-154096</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Pez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Chief Justice Roberts:



&lt;blockquote&gt;If we let this wrongfully convicted person use DNA testing to prove his innocence, we&#039;ll have to let &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; wrongfully convicted person do it, and that&#039;s just too much trouble.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Chief Justice Roberts:</p>
<blockquote><p>If we let this wrongfully convicted person use DNA testing to prove his innocence, we&#8217;ll have to let <em>every</em> wrongfully convicted person do it, and that&#8217;s just too much trouble.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Chris Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmm....yeah.  Osborne...umm...Osborne doesn&#039;t match the snow in Alaska.  My guess (haven&#039;t looked at the details) is this had something significant to do with this outrageous decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm&#8230;.yeah.  Osborne&#8230;umm&#8230;Osborne doesn&#8217;t match the snow in Alaska.  My guess (haven&#8217;t looked at the details) is this had something significant to do with this outrageous decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
		<link>http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/scotus-dna/comment-page-1/#comment-154093</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t want to look like they made a mistake in convicting him, but really this decision to not allow the DNA test makes them far less credible than potentially clearing a prisoner&#039;s name.  Somehow the checks and balances were absent in this decision.
I feel bad for Osborne.
&lt;a&gt; href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/mxwjwy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t want to look like they made a mistake in convicting him, but really this decision to not allow the DNA test makes them far less credible than potentially clearing a prisoner&#8217;s name.  Somehow the checks and balances were absent in this decision.<br />
I feel bad for Osborne.<br />
<a> href=&#8221;http://tinyurl.com/mxwjwy</a></p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Roberts means by &quot;established&quot; is that however flawed the criminal justice system is he&#039;s not interested in fixing it.  Sounds like he has a vested interest in for-profit prisons or a cheap prison labor workforce.  So much for justice for the guilty and rights to prove innocence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Roberts means by &#8220;established&#8221; is that however flawed the criminal justice system is he&#8217;s not interested in fixing it.  Sounds like he has a vested interest in for-profit prisons or a cheap prison labor workforce.  So much for justice for the guilty and rights to prove innocence!</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disgusting.

I&#039;d suggest Barry stack the Supreme Court and name a new chief justice, but we&#039;d be likely to simply get more statist, DINO Villagers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest Barry stack the Supreme Court and name a new chief justice, but we&#8217;d be likely to simply get more statist, DINO Villagers.</p>
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		<title>By: fisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a &quot;free&quot; country for ya. &quot;Freedom&quot; can&#039;t stop to smell the roses (and potentially free and innocent man), it must gloriously march on to Tehran, Pyongyang leaving behind some poor bastard to rot in prison. Yeah, I love this country, really something worth to stand up and defend ...... not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a &#8220;free&#8221; country for ya. &#8220;Freedom&#8221; can&#8217;t stop to smell the roses (and potentially free and innocent man), it must gloriously march on to Tehran, Pyongyang leaving behind some poor bastard to rot in prison. Yeah, I love this country, really something worth to stand up and defend &#8230;&#8230; not.</p>
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		<title>By: fletc3her</title>
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		<dc:creator>fletc3her</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also find it absolutely shameful that this went to the Supreme Court at all.  Every clerk, lawyer, prosecutor, and, yes, god damn governor, who has been asked to weigh in on this decision should be ashamed of themselves.  Have they no empathy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find it absolutely shameful that this went to the Supreme Court at all.  Every clerk, lawyer, prosecutor, and, yes, god damn governor, who has been asked to weigh in on this decision should be ashamed of themselves.  Have they no empathy?</p>
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		<title>By: fletc3her</title>
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		<dc:creator>fletc3her</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s day like these that I fear the principles on which  our country was founded have truly been lost.  

The presumption of innocence until proven guilty was surely not meant to imply that a guilty verdict be considered infallible.  This decision shows an utter lack of faith in our criminal justice system and a tacit recognition that we are currently jailing many people who would be exonerated by a review of the evidence against them using modern investigative techniques.

The sad thing is that for every inmate who was jailed on false evidence there is a criminal who has gone unpunished for the actual crime.  Yes, it is a travesty, but I think our society would be better served by correcting these injustices when possible rather than shuffling them under the carpet in the name of political expediency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s day like these that I fear the principles on which  our country was founded have truly been lost.  </p>
<p>The presumption of innocence until proven guilty was surely not meant to imply that a guilty verdict be considered infallible.  This decision shows an utter lack of faith in our criminal justice system and a tacit recognition that we are currently jailing many people who would be exonerated by a review of the evidence against them using modern investigative techniques.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that for every inmate who was jailed on false evidence there is a criminal who has gone unpunished for the actual crime.  Yes, it is a travesty, but I think our society would be better served by correcting these injustices when possible rather than shuffling them under the carpet in the name of political expediency.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Currie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. We missed the boat on impeaching Cheney and Bush so now we have another chance. If denying a man the right to prove his innocense isn&#039;t against everything that is American I don&#039;t know what is. Where do we start the proceedings on Roberts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. We missed the boat on impeaching Cheney and Bush so now we have another chance. If denying a man the right to prove his innocense isn&#8217;t against everything that is American I don&#8217;t know what is. Where do we start the proceedings on Roberts?</p>
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