Comments on: AHIP Explains Its Opposition To The Public Plan http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:42:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Angie http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-139383 Angie Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:52:19 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-139383 <blockquote><em></em><em>Zirkelbach explained that the insurance lobby was concerned the the “government-run program” (as he called it) would undermine health care providers, employers, and the “sustainability” of the entire health care system:</em></blockquote> I am curious about how some of our experts appear more concerned about the healthcare industry as it is now, possibly failing if public health care is enacted. It is amazing to me that other industries have failed and we survived. People have been working with one company all of their lives and one day everything was gone. Too many people are dying because of the practices of healthcare providers and maybe they should't be allowed to continue as it is. It is criminal how people without the ability to afford healthcare are being treated. Our lives are in their hands. So yes, I do believe public health care should be available and provided evenly for all the people. What is the price for a life? Who should determine care? Let's not continue to allow this industry to discriminate based on profit istead of care when needed. Finally, I have good insurance coverage, but I am supportive of public health care if it will help those who are uninsured or simply can't afford the high cost of health insurance.

Zirkelbach explained that the insurance lobby was concerned the the “government-run program” (as he called it) would undermine health care providers, employers, and the “sustainability” of the entire health care system:

I am curious about how some of our experts appear more concerned about the healthcare industry as it is now, possibly failing if public health care is enacted. It is amazing to me that other industries have failed and we survived. People have been working with one company all of their lives and one day everything was gone. Too many people are dying because of the practices of healthcare providers and maybe they should’t be allowed to continue as it is. It is criminal how people without the ability to afford healthcare are being treated. Our lives are in their hands. So yes, I do believe public health care should be available and provided evenly for all the people. What is the price for a life? Who should determine care? Let’s not continue to allow this industry to discriminate based on profit istead of care when needed. Finally, I have good insurance coverage, but I am supportive of public health care if it will help those who are uninsured or simply can’t afford the high cost of health insurance.

]]> By: DrLeigh http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-133678 DrLeigh Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:30:27 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-133678 re: comment #7: Exactly, ConnecticutMan1! Shouldn't be too shocking. re: comment #7: Exactly, ConnecticutMan1! Shouldn’t be too shocking.

]]> By: Connecticut Man1 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121148 Connecticut Man1 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:05:08 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121148 Kind of like inviting Hannibal Lechter over and being surprised at what he wants for dessert after the chicken dinner. :) Kind of like inviting Hannibal Lechter over and being surprised at what he wants for dessert after the chicken dinner. :)

]]> By: Connecticut Man1 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121147 Connecticut Man1 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:01:30 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121147 It is easily arguable that the irrational people are the people that cater to the the crackpots. It is easily arguable that the irrational people are the people that cater to the the crackpots.

]]> By: kali http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121137 kali Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:39:17 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121137 yes, expanding Medicare for those not able to get insurance in the private sector makes PERFECT sense... now to the irrational-thinking right-wingers who care only about the interests of the private insurance companies of course this solution won't work.... it seems this country will have to "run circles" around a solution that really works just because Repugs and right-wingers have this knee-jerk irrational disdain for ANY solution that involves the public sector. man, what bunch of crackpots, I swear... yes, expanding Medicare for those not able to get insurance in the private sector makes PERFECT sense… now to the irrational-thinking right-wingers who care only about the interests of the private insurance companies of course this solution won’t work…. it seems this country will have to “run circles” around a solution that really works just because Repugs and right-wingers have this knee-jerk irrational disdain for ANY solution that involves the public sector.

man, what bunch of crackpots, I swear…

]]> By: DrSteveB http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121077 DrSteveB Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:25:07 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121077 If we have to give up on single payer becuase the powers that be say so (despite it being the only proposals that actually controls costs and delivers care that is universal and comprhensive and has 60% support in independent polling; not predetermined stuff like Celinda Lake for HCAN), then let us have REAL public option per Rep. Pete Starks proposal: he leaves in place private coverage. Keep what you have if you want to. But offers a variation of Improved and Expanded Medicare for All that is really a public option that would then compete with privates. If we have to give up on single payer becuase the powers that be say so (despite it being the only proposals that actually controls costs and delivers care that is universal and comprhensive and has 60% support in independent polling; not predetermined stuff like Celinda Lake for HCAN), then let us have REAL public option per Rep. Pete Starks proposal: he leaves in place private coverage. Keep what you have if you want to. But offers a variation of Improved and Expanded Medicare for All that is really a public option that would then compete with privates.

]]> By: Connecticut Man1 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121067 Connecticut Man1 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:33:45 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121067 And this bad because??? <blockquote><em>“This could cause many people to leave the employer market and enroll in a government-run plan. This is something employers have expressed concern.”</em></blockquote> The whole point is to run the privatized ripoff into the ground while still allowing them time to restructure their companies into a business that actually provides something other than a leeching effect on paychecks, other businesses' bottom lines and the economy as whole. And this bad because???

“This could cause many people to leave the employer market and enroll in a government-run plan. This is something employers have expressed concern.”

The whole point is to run the privatized ripoff into the ground while still allowing them time to restructure their companies into a business that actually provides something other than a leeching effect on paychecks, other businesses’ bottom lines and the economy as whole.

]]> By: Connecticut Man1 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121064 Connecticut Man1 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:22 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121064 This:<blockquote><em>As Dean Baker argues, “some people, who tend to be left of center, think that the government’s role is to try to promote the general good, by providing basic services, protecting the poor and the sick, and ensuring a well-working economy.</em></blockquote> Plus this:<blockquote><em><a href="http://drinkliberal.blogspot.com/2009/03/cnn-72-want-more-governmental.html" rel="nofollow">CNN: 72% Want More Governmental Involvement With Health Care</a></em></blockquote> Means that, certainly in the case of health care, 72% of Americans are left of center. <em><strong>ADIP</strong></em>: <strong>A</strong>merican's <strong>D</strong>enial <strong>I</strong>nsurance <strong>P</strong>lans This:
As Dean Baker argues, “some people, who tend to be left of center, think that the government’s role is to try to promote the general good, by providing basic services, protecting the poor and the sick, and ensuring a well-working economy.

Plus this:

CNN: 72% Want More Governmental Involvement With Health Care

Means that, certainly in the case of health care, 72% of Americans are left of center.

ADIP:
American’s
Denial
Insurance
Plans

]]> By: kali http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-121063 kali Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:25:28 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/11/ahip-public-plan/#comment-121063 <em>Zirkelbach explained that the insurance lobby was concerned the the "government-run program" (as he called it) would undermine health care providers, employers, and the "sustainability" of the entire health care system:</em> this is TOTAL crap.. the only thing a government-run program would undermine is the health insurance companies' PROFITS... I don't know who these people think they are kidding... Zirkelbach explained that the insurance lobby was concerned the the “government-run program” (as he called it) would undermine health care providers, employers, and the “sustainability” of the entire health care system:

this is TOTAL crap.. the only thing a government-run program would undermine is the health insurance companies’ PROFITS… I don’t know who these people think they are kidding…

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