Comments on: Andy McCarthy: Will The Gaza Strikes ‘Educate’ The Palestinians? http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:42:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: stateofthedivision http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3404 stateofthedivision Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:07:17 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3404 A vote against a corrupt government is not a vote for terrorism. Hamas delivered for the people when Fatah played the graft game. McCarthy is yet another ignorant American. The election was strongly supported by Bush Co. Who could have imagined Hamas would win? Not Condi... A vote against a corrupt government is not a vote for terrorism. Hamas delivered for the people when Fatah played the graft game.

McCarthy is yet another ignorant American. The election was strongly supported by Bush Co. Who could have imagined Hamas would win? Not Condi…

]]> By: Terran1212 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3384 Terran1212 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:28:44 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3384 This is an excellent point. It must be said that the embargo on Gaza for many months has the explicit purpose of punishing its civilian population. This is an atrocious violation of international law, and will only breed more extremism. This is an excellent point. It must be said that the embargo on Gaza for many months has the explicit purpose of punishing its civilian population. This is an atrocious violation of international law, and will only breed more extremism.

]]> By: Dana_89 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3376 Dana_89 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:08:15 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3376 barktwiceifyourinmilwaukee said : <em>I mean its just like the Palestinians who make a ‘political’ statement by electing a known well established terrorist organization to power. </em> Based on your theory I wonder what should be done to us for having George W Bush elected !!! and wait ... TWICE!! barktwiceifyourinmilwaukee said : I mean its just like the Palestinians who make a ‘political’ statement by electing a known well established terrorist organization to power.

Based on your theory I wonder what should be done to us for having George W Bush elected !!!
and wait … TWICE!!

]]> By: Dana_89 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3374 Dana_89 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:08:09 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3374 barktwiceifyourinmilwaukee said : <em>I mean its just like the Palestinians who make a ‘political’ statement by electing a known well established terrorist organization to power. </em> Based on your theory I wonder what should be done to us for having George W Bush elected !!! and waot ... TWICE!! barktwiceifyourinmilwaukee said : I mean its just like the Palestinians who make a ‘political’ statement by electing a known well established terrorist organization to power.

Based on your theory I wonder what should be done to us for having George W Bush elected !!!
and waot … TWICE!!

]]> By: jps http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3370 jps Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:41:18 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3370 Looking toward the future, we can help or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton" rel="nofollow">hinder</a>. Let's hear some ideas for the best ways to help. Here's my idea: Base the number of WPA wind turbines each side gets by how quick it gets back into a cease-fire and stays here. Keep up humanitarian aid to both sides. Continue all existing plans for peace and security except for a drawdown in Iraq, the savings used to finance public education, including free college tuition, reduced class sizes, more schools, higher teacher salaries, and mandatory Safe Routes to School programs. What's your idea? Looking toward the future, we can help or hinder. Let’s hear some ideas for the best ways to help. Here’s my idea: Base the number of WPA wind turbines each side gets by how quick it gets back into a cease-fire and stays here. Keep up humanitarian aid to both sides. Continue all existing plans for peace and security except for a drawdown in Iraq, the savings used to finance public education, including free college tuition, reduced class sizes, more schools, higher teacher salaries, and mandatory Safe Routes to School programs.

What’s your idea?

]]> By: M. Duss http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3368 M. Duss Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:19:37 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3368 <em>They knowingly elected a terrorist government and while no innocent civilian should be knowlingly attacked by Israel, they must own up to their mistake and remove their political leaders or have them forcibly removed.</em> The Palestinians voted for Hamas as an alternative to Fatah, in the hope of getting better government. Journalist Khaled Abu Toameh, a noted critic of Palestinian politics, <a href="http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=443&PID=0&IID=1619" rel="nofollow">wrote</a>: <blockquote>If I were living in Gaza back then, I would have also voted for Hamas, not because I support suicide bombings and want to eliminate Israel, but because the January 2006 election was mostly about: "Let's punish these thieves." I know Christians, secular Palestinians, and PLO people who voted for Hamas because they were unhappy with the Palestinian Authority.</blockquote> The question is whether, by making this electoral choice, Palestinians have effectively lost the status of civilian. Andy McCarthy thinks they have. I think this is preposterous. They knowingly elected a terrorist government and while no innocent civilian should be knowlingly attacked by Israel, they must own up to their mistake and remove their political leaders or have them forcibly removed.

The Palestinians voted for Hamas as an alternative to Fatah, in the hope of getting better government. Journalist Khaled Abu Toameh, a noted critic of Palestinian politics, wrote:

If I were living in Gaza back then, I would have also voted for Hamas, not because I support suicide bombings and want to eliminate Israel, but because the January 2006 election was mostly about: “Let’s punish these thieves.” I know Christians, secular Palestinians, and PLO people who voted for Hamas because they were unhappy with the Palestinian Authority.

The question is whether, by making this electoral choice, Palestinians have effectively lost the status of civilian. Andy McCarthy thinks they have. I think this is preposterous.

]]> By: barktwiceifyourinmilwaukee http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3366 barktwiceifyourinmilwaukee Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:29:26 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3366 Your musings about "McCarthy’s simplistic interpretation of Hamas’ election" which according to you "was more a vote against Fatah’s incompetence and corruption than it was for Israel’s destruction" is just ridiculous. Yes it is just absurd for Israel and the U.S. to elect politicians who would defend civilians from violent attacks against their people. I mean its just like the Palestinians who make a 'political' statement by electing a known well established terrorist organization to power. Its not as if the Palestinians went against the established political parties and elected Ralph Nader. They knowingly elected a terrorist government and while no innocent civilian should be knowlingly attacked by Israel, they must own up to their mistake and remove their political leaders or have them forcibly removed. Your musings about “McCarthy’s simplistic interpretation of Hamas’ election” which according to you “was more a vote against Fatah’s incompetence and corruption than it was for Israel’s destruction” is just ridiculous. Yes it is just absurd for Israel and the U.S. to elect politicians who would defend civilians from violent attacks against their people. I mean its just like the Palestinians who make a ‘political’ statement by electing a known well established terrorist organization to power. Its not as if the Palestinians went against the established political parties and elected Ralph Nader. They knowingly elected a terrorist government and while no innocent civilian should be knowlingly attacked by Israel, they must own up to their mistake and remove their political leaders or have them forcibly removed.

]]> By: jps http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3364 jps Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:43:04 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3364 The only reason Hamas won over Fatah in Gaza is because it was a plurality election where Hamas had the party discipline to run one candidate per seat, but Fatah as the favored party was running typically two or more candidates per district, so <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/international/middleeast/14cnd-mideast.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&ei=5094&en=72330403b4aa5c56&hp&ex=1139979600&partner=homepage" rel="nofollow">they got clobbered by the spoiler effect.</a> That was one election which really made the case for instant runoff over plurality voting. The only reason Hamas won over Fatah in Gaza is because it was a plurality election where Hamas had the party discipline to run one candidate per seat, but Fatah as the favored party was running typically two or more candidates per district, so they got clobbered by the spoiler effect. That was one election which really made the case for instant runoff over plurality voting.

]]> By: markusmarkus http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-gaza-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-3362 markusmarkus Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:26:47 +0000 http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/andy-mccarthy-will-the-israeli-strikes-educate-the-palestinians/#comment-3362 Moron! Moron!

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