thirdparty Says:
March 21st, 2008 at 12:23 am

The hijackers held meetings in Madrid and Hamburg, too – does that mean Spain and Germany were 9/11 co-conspirators?

That would be fair if it were correct, but it’s not.

Sorry, did you just suggest the Hamburg cell didn’t hold a meeting in Hamburg ?

hussein toasterhead Says:
March 20th, 2008 at 8:01 am

thirdparty Says:
March 20th, 2008 at 6:19 am

Wait, I initially thought McCain was wrong too. But didn’t the 9/11 commission find some relationship between Iran and al Qaeda? One of your links points this out.

Iranian visa policies allowed Saudis to transit without a visa stamp. That’s a far cry from an official “relationship” between Iran and al-Qa’ida.

The hijackers held meetings in Madrid and Hamburg, too – does that mean Spain and Germany were 9/11 co-conspirators?
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That would be fair if it were correct, but it’s not. The Iranian “relationship” was hardly innocuous:

“Sources also tell TIME that Commission investigators found that Iran had a history of allowing al-Qaeda members to enter and exit Iran across the Afghan border. This practice dated back to October 2000, with Iranian officials issuing specific instructions to their border guards—in some cases not to put stamps in the passports of al-Qaeda personnel—and otherwise not harass them and to facilitate their travel across the frontier. The report does not, however, offer evidence that Iran was aware of the plans for the 9/11 attacks.”

What do you make of this? Also, the Clinton administration’s indictment of bin Laden asserted a link with Iran, no?

Wait, I initially thought McCain was wrong too. But didn’t the 9/11 commission find some relationship between Iran and al Qaeda? One of your links points this out.

Iranian visa policies allowed Saudis to transit without a visa stamp. That’s a far cry from an official “relationship” between Iran and al-Qa’ida.

The hijackers held meetings in Madrid and Hamburg, too – does that mean Spain and Germany were 9/11 co-conspirators?

On Iran, by contrast, the report concludes that al Qaeda’s relationship with Tehran and its client, the Hezbollah militant group, was long-standing and included cooperation on operations, the officials said. It also details previously unknown links between the two, including the revelation that as many as 10 of the Sept. 11 hijackers may have passed through Iran in late 2000 and early 2001 because Iranian border guards were instructed to let al Qaeda associates travel freely, sources familiar with the report have said.

Commission and government officials emphasize that they have found no indication that Tehran knowingly helped in the plot. But the commission report will cite evidence that Iran allowed al Qaeda members into the country even after the attacks.

That’s what started The War on Tanks (1939-1945).

So if they’re going to write fiction, they really should stick to standard fictional constructs: Coming this summer – Osama Vs. Ahmadinejad.

Please note this post is an attempt to ridicule the neo-cons, not to make light of the serious problems in Iraq and Iran.

To the average person, AQ, AQI, Sunni, Shia, it doesn’t matter, they are icky brown Muslims. And no matter how we parse it, if someone doesn’t know the difference they will see McCain’s words are true. Clueless as they are.

The reality is that if we don’t bomb Iran before November, and if McCain gets in, you can rest assured it won’t be but a matter of weeks before we do so.

Icky brown people are icky brown people whether we bomb them there or hate them here.

2. Lies are OK if you’re doing it for the Party.

3. Party over Country.

4. War is good.